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Mutuality-Seeking and Difference-Making

  • May. 11th, 2006 at 8:20 PM
ash snow
My break from LJ has been very healthy for me. I was reminded of something that I had forgotten: virtual text-based interaction is but a shallow, incomplete, and often inaccurate reflection of actual in-person contact. It doesn't even come close. Humans are manufactured to develop social bonds...it is well known that isolation leads to various psychological problems (which is not to say that a well-timed and fully prepared-for spiritual retreat cannot be very beneficial). I do like LJ for keeping in touch with absent friends and also for sharing ideas and news. I think LJ can be quite good for these things. What it isn't good for: solving complex problems, replacing human contact, and developing fraternity (it can augment fraternity when already present, but LJ is terrible for building it from scratch).

For the last week I've been reading LJ without participating. In that time, I've come to observe several patterns that fall into two general categories: mutuality-seeking and difference-making. The former is typified by posts that carry an attitude of "we're all in this together, even when we disagree". Such posts involve sharing personal or community news, seeking support or advice, and offering ideas or knowledge intended to assist, inform, amuse, inspire, or serve some larger aim. The latter category is typified by the attitude of "I care about what is good and bad, and based on my opinion, will divide people, ideas, objects, and actions into their appropriate box." These posts tend to be critiques of other people and/or their actions, usually drawing (or implying) sharp distinctions between the poster and the postee.

What I am referring to is not about content as much as context. So, for example, a post's topic could be about how the OTO has not yet started an athletics program. The underlying opinion can be that this is a serious problem. A post that has a mutuality-seeking frame might lay out the argument for why OTO should have an athletics program along with all the potential benefits, perhaps with a proposal for how to bring it about. A difference-making frame, on the other hand, will largely do the same, except it will tend to define camps: the pro-athletics and the anti-athletics. Moreover, the post might explain all the possible problems with the anti-athletics, usually having something to do with deficient wisdom, competence, and/or character.

At this point, the issue is no longer just about the athletics program, but about the various groups of people involved, and all the assumed differences between them. Labels get used as shorthand, and result in wide generalizations, so that one isolated trait comes to represent the totality of that person or group. Since the underlying structure of the frame depends on maintaining strong differences, little or no acknowledgement will be made regarding common ground or factual data that might contradict definitions that provide non-mutual distinctions. It becomes a trap that relies on maintaining and perhaps strengthening differences, and almost always results in go-nowhere arguments, mischaracterizations, and disharmony.

Keep in mind I'm talking about individual posts, not LJers. While I try to be mutuality-seeking, I admit to difference-making from time to time in my posts. Now that I've observed this pattern, I will try harder to keep away from difference-making, since I believe it is ultimately a waste of pixels.

Now I'm going to go hang out with my wife and some friends. :)

Comments

[info]solarmyth wrote:
May. 12th, 2006 04:37 am (UTC)
You realize, of course, that this is a difference-making post. ;-)

[info]ash93 wrote:
May. 12th, 2006 05:12 am (UTC)
What can I say? It's a hard habit to break! :P
[info]xeyeofhorusx wrote:
May. 12th, 2006 08:25 am (UTC)
Are you Willing to Love?
Well we might as well start now, right? What do all the people you have in mind have in common? How are they similar, in a significant way (ie. not a contextually trivial answer like "we're all in the OTO")?

[info]ash93 wrote:
May. 12th, 2006 03:25 pm (UTC)
Re: Are you Willing to Love?
I don't think it's trivial to say "we're all in the OTO". In fact, I believe it is a profound statement, and one that is often ignored when sitting at the keyboard. However, I understand your point...

Mutuality-seeking isn't simply about pointing out common traits amongst individuals. It's about creating a context or frame that draws together rather than one that breaks apart. It isn't exotic...I see LJers use it all the time.

By offering my observations, my hope is to influence LJ writers to become more aware of which frame they are using. My assumption (or hope) is that the majority might see the benefit of a mutuality-seeking frame, and use it more often.

However, to try out your request: of all the people that I've met here in the Bay Area that I thought would be real jerks based on their "LJ personalities" turned out to be reasonably polite in person. It goes to show that difference-making is a lot easier (or perhaps more tempting) in the digital world.
[info]xeyeofhorusx wrote:
May. 14th, 2006 02:12 am (UTC)
Re: Are you Willing to Love?
Sure, mutuality-seeking will require a number of behaviors - I designed my questions to set a direction for your attention within this context that would guide you towards an attitude of mutuality-seeking by setting aside difference for a moment and looking for mutualities, where some had asserted this post seemed difference-making to them.

But also - when I said "all the people", I imagined you had in mind a larger set than those in the Bay Area you formerly thought would be real jerks. I imagined you had in mind something more like all the OTOers on LJ, or some such set.

With that in mind, to find mutualities between the set you chose and a more inclusive set - what significant behaviors, characteristics and values do those people you thought would be jerks have in common with their fellows in the Order (which naturally makes "they're in the Order" trivial)?
[info]ash93 wrote:
May. 14th, 2006 07:08 am (UTC)
Re: Are you Willing to Love?
Well, again, that's not the point of my post. I don't know them well enough to say with authority what traits they have in common (or even who it is exactly I'm supposed to be describing). Besides, that's getting into content rather than framing, which is the main thrust of my thesis. I think I might make it more clear by saying that "mutuality" is not equitable with "sameness". Mutuality is a viewpoint that is about forming and strengthening connections. True, this can be done by invoking commonalities, but it can be accomplished by other means as well, such as attempting to create mutual understanding. Does that make better sense?
[info]xeyeofhorusx wrote:
May. 14th, 2006 10:44 pm (UTC)
Re: Are you Willing to Love?
I believe in interpreting my questions you have generalized the concept of "sameness" to the identity level between people (ie. people with some sameness must be entirely the same), whereas I don't mean to ask it that way. Using your example, for me, "mutual understanding" counts as a similarity. 2 people can have differences in numerous significant areas, so when they share a mutual undestanding, they display similarity in one area at the level of values or belief. That does not mean I would want to generalize them as the same or similar in every way across all their values and beliefs, or at any other level necessarily (except as their mutual understanding correspondingly results in similar skills, behaviors and environments).
[info]aq777 wrote:
May. 12th, 2006 05:22 am (UTC)
Viva la differance!
There are only two types of People: the kind that thinks there are two types of people and the kind that doesn't think there are two kinds of people.
[info]aq777 wrote:
May. 12th, 2006 05:19 am (UTC)
The Linguist Deborrah Tannen in her excellent books, That's Not What I Meant, and You Just Don't Understand, broke it down into these two types: Independence and Intimacy.

Intimacy is key in a world of connection where individuals negotiate complex networks of friendship, minimize differences, try to reach consensus, and avoid the appearance of superiority, which would highlight differences. In a world of status, independence is key, because a primary means of establishing status is to tell others what to do, and taking orders is a marker of low status. Though all humans need both intimacy and independence, women tend to focus on the first and men on the second. It is as if their lifeblood ran in different directions.

Involvement/Intimacy threatens independence. Independence threatens Involvement/Intimacy

Criticism is a means of protection against the danger of intimacy threatening independence.
[info]ash93 wrote:
May. 12th, 2006 05:54 am (UTC)
I think that's a pretty good outline. I also think there are other factors at play...for example, difference-making is a great way to get lots of comments on LJ and to develop a following of sorts. Many people are drawn to drama, and mutuality-seeking is a poor way to generate it. I've been seduced by the technique in the past (i.e. using difference-making to get lots of attention), and it can be an ego-booster.

Also, I think difference-making can (ironically) be used to generate a sense of solidarity. If someone is feeling unaccepted, socially frustrated, or low on the totem pole, difference-making can be used to attack those whom they believe are the cause of their woes while also appearing to be the leader of "The Resistance". The beauty of this technique is that once the conclusion about "The Others" has been drawn, absolutely any new idea or situation can be twisted to support it, while any data that clearly contradicts the conclusion is conveniently ignored.

I think a lot of otherwise intelligent, conscientious people have been seduced by this frame here on LJ (as I have more than once). My hope for pointing out this framework is to inspire more mutuality-seeking, even when there are serious disagreements. And when difference-making is used in a post that invites a comment, to find ways to reframe the presentation to be more mutuality-seeking. Yes, I have a dream...
[info]rodneyorpheus wrote:
May. 12th, 2006 07:51 am (UTC)
This is really remarkably wise. Thank you.

Rodney
[info]actadiurna wrote:
May. 12th, 2006 01:23 pm (UTC)
Persistent Dichotomy
Thiomas Kasulis uses the same dichotomy, Intimacy or Integrity (independence) in his book, Intimacy or Integrity: Philosophy and Cultural Difference. He compares two cultures, western and eastern and shows how one is foregrounded over the other in each culture. They both are present, but one takes precedence.

Criticism is a means of protection against the danger of intimacy threatening independence.

I think this is too simplistic and not necessarily true. I have intimate relationships with my immediate family and I receive more criticism from them than anyone else. Also because of the intimate relationship, their criticism is more effective, and additionally more potentially damaging. Their criticism is not a means of independence building, but actually a function of the caring and intimacy of the relationship.
[info]ash93 wrote:
May. 12th, 2006 05:05 pm (UTC)
Re: Persistent Dichotomy
I think this is too simplistic and not necessarily true.

While I agree that criticism can be used sometimes as a defense against intimacy, I also agree that criticism at times is warranted. Within my thesis, what is important is the frame in which criticism is presented...the "attitude" if you will. Mutuality-seeking says, "I care about your well-being or success and want to help you by pointing out something you might not be aware of that I think is limiting you." Difference-making says something like, "You and I are fundamentally different. To prove your inferiority, here is a list of your negative traits."

The former is an attempt to lift up (which tends to encourage mutuality), and the latter tries to push down (which encourages separation).
[info]xeyeofhorusx wrote:
May. 14th, 2006 02:03 am (UTC)
Re: Persistent Dichotomy
The distinction I see you drawing here I would characterize as constructive vs. destructive criticism - do you mean to limit the concept "mutuality-seeking" to only the critical act? I didn't think so before, but you also hadn't particularly mentioned the critical aspect of mutuality speakers before, so I'm just making sure I understand your meaning.
[info]xeyeofhorusx wrote:
May. 14th, 2006 02:19 am (UTC)
Re: Persistent Dichotomy
Ha, mutuality SEEKERS, not speakers. :)
[info]ash93 wrote:
May. 14th, 2006 06:59 am (UTC)
Re: Persistent Dichotomy
Well, as I tried to articulate, I'm talking about frames for content, not the content itself. I think the reason that I'm addressing criticism is that I want to eliminate from the start the idea that my intent is to create a fluffy bunny feelgoodism that tries to eliminate anything potentially negative or unpleasant.
[info]aq777 wrote:
May. 13th, 2006 05:29 am (UTC)
Re: Persistent Dichotomy
Water runs downhill.

Apples fall not far from trees.

The twigs eventually learn that it's futile to fight the branches. I wonder why?
[info]aq777 wrote:
May. 16th, 2006 06:41 pm (UTC)
Re: Persistent Dichotomy
I think Intimacy AND Integrity is a better deal. They are not mutually exclusive. Quite the contrary.
[info]actadiurna wrote:
May. 16th, 2006 06:43 pm (UTC)
In The Book...
...as in my comment I explained how he "compares two cultures, western and eastern and shows how one is foregrounded over the other in each culture. They both are present, but one takes precedence."
[info]aq777 wrote:
May. 16th, 2006 07:11 pm (UTC)
Re: Persistent Dichotomy
I think Intimacy AND Integrity is a better deal. They are not mutually exclusive. Quite the contrary.
cloudrider wrote:
May. 12th, 2006 10:34 am (UTC)
Excellent and clear.
[info]rainbowatdawn wrote:
May. 12th, 2006 05:55 pm (UTC)
I agree
Lj is a very good sounding board for myself (a journal) even if no one ever reads it. I find the Epilepsy and bi-polar groups useful for talking about conditiona and solutions. I stay away from arguementative people and posts. I love to debate but I prefer to do that in person. I spend a total of 15 minute if even that much a day.

Face to face is essential for humans isn't it something like 80% of communication is non-verbal?
[info]ash93 wrote:
May. 12th, 2006 08:41 pm (UTC)
Re: I agree
Yeah, that's right. Facial expression, hand gestures, body posture, vocal intonation, speed, and pitch...these all carry information that people use to translate the meaning in vocalized speech. It's also much easier to avoid arguments in person for a variety of reasons that are not available online.
[info]aq777 wrote:
May. 13th, 2006 05:31 am (UTC)
Re: I agree
I would also guess that rapport neurons in the brain fire like crazy when another person is in front of you gesturing. The rapport neurons are quiet when you are in front of a computer screen. I bet that is tremendously important.
[info]ash93 wrote:
May. 13th, 2006 10:05 am (UTC)
Re: I agree
I'm assuming that you are referring to what I've heard called "mirror neurons". These little suckers are amazing. They can actually tell if an action is intentional or accidental. And they do indeed "mirror" the general mental states of others based on body language. We're still learning a lot about them, but what we know is fascinating. The lastest is the theory that people with autism have a deficiency in their mirror neurons (there's a growing bit of evidence for this). So, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that too much virtual time and not enough in-person time leads to autistic-like behavior. Hmmm....sounds like a doctoral thesis...
[info]aq777 wrote:
May. 16th, 2006 06:38 pm (UTC)
Re: I agree
Yes. That's what I meant! Mirror neurons. They are turning out to be pivotal in how hypnosis works too.
[info]baal_kriah wrote:
May. 12th, 2006 06:13 pm (UTC)
So what kind of athletics program do you envision for O.T.O.?
[info]broddhisatva wrote:
May. 12th, 2006 08:18 pm (UTC)
NO NO NO NO NO, Mord!

Didn't you hear him? You can't have a workable athletics program in the OTO because of all the lazy non-athletic people who would feel bad about their lack of athleticism (we'll call them "marshmallow people"), and because all the lazy semi-athletic people who think yoga and tai chi count as sports (the "gran-olympics") would get made fun of by the real sports people out there.

Way to miss the point, buddy!
[info]ash93 wrote:
May. 12th, 2006 08:28 pm (UTC)
You are an astute and wise person for understanding me so well. I therefore proclaim you to be on my team of Super OTO Guys. The SOTOG is an elite society of ultra-humans (or UHs for short) that are most clearly defined as not being mega-losers (i.e. everyone else). As a fellow UH, SOTOG welcomes you.
[info]broddhisatva wrote:
May. 12th, 2006 09:52 pm (UTC)
THANKS!
It's nice to finally be appreciated!

After my exceptional performance in several notable track and field events (50 yard slack, high jump, broad jump, high-broad jump, and masturbathalon) I was sure I'd be recognized by some elite group or other.

Do we get special tote-bags or helmets or something?
[info]ash93 wrote:
May. 13th, 2006 12:00 am (UTC)
Re: THANKS!
You are now authorized to use the following graphic:



[Yeah, I have too much time on my hands today]
[info]ash93 wrote:
May. 12th, 2006 08:21 pm (UTC)
Mountain climbing and badminton. Definitely.
[info]baal_kriah wrote:
May. 12th, 2006 08:22 pm (UTC)
And for those who want to qualify for the E.C., heavy lifting ;-)
[info]ash93 wrote:
May. 12th, 2006 08:31 pm (UTC)
Or perhaps the more obscure sport of Nails in Head. Whoever gets the most in, wins. Kinda.
[info]baal_kriah wrote:
May. 12th, 2006 08:38 pm (UTC)
Gurning is also encouraged.
[info]xeyeofhorusx wrote:
May. 14th, 2006 02:22 am (UTC)
I'm thinking a combination of MMA (mixed martial arts, ala UFC), paintball, Fear Factor, WWF and Whose Line is it Anyway?