This is something I want to pull out into its own post, because it didn't fit within the comment section where it began. I want to make something absolutely clear about what I think regarding authority within Liber XV. I understand people might get upset by this, but please know that that is not my intent. I simply think there is some misunderstand about my position, and I want to set the record straight. If anyone still is angry with me, at least it will be about what I actually think. Furthermore, I put out the disclaimer that while I am an ordained Priest of six years, I am not a Bishop. However, the framework of my opinions has been accepted as accurate by my own supervising Bishop.
I firmly believe that the authority to celebrate the Gnostic Mass is embodied in the officers, namely the Priest and the Priestess. That authority derives from either being an ordained Bishop, or from acting under the direct, formal supervision of a Bishop. The Bishop's authority comes from the national Primate. His authority comes from the Patriarch of the E.G.C. There is no other authority when it comes to any discrete celebration of the Mass---not the community, not the Lodge Master, not other Bishops (except, for the latter two, insofar as they feel compelled to enforce Grand Lodge policy and in the rare occasion when the sanctity of the local body is endangered, say with the presence of a 15-year-old without guardian approval).
So, to put it bluntly, as long as policy is adhered to with reasonable good faith, the Mass team is in charge during any given Liber XV celebration. The Priest and the Priestess are essentially acting with the authority of the Patricarch (in our current case, Frater Superior Hymenaeus Beta) and through his Primate in the U.S. (in our case, T. Apiryon, the Supreme and Holy King, Sabazius), who delegates his authority through his Bishops. During the celebration of the Mass, the Deacon and Children operate under the authority of the Priest and Priestess team. An ordained Deacon is actually oath-bound to assist in this way, who agrees to "abide by the policies of Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica, and that you will faithfully fulfill the functions of a Deacon, ever in service to your congregation, and under the direction of your Priest and Priestess?"
Now then, a wise Mass team will take into consideration local traditions and social mores. However, that consideration does not take precedence over their own take on the ritual. This includes the actions of the People, who are, in essence, the sixth officer of Liber XV. It is the Deacon's job to instruct and lead the People in the particulars of the ceremony, as she is the conduit or viceroy representing the Mass team to the congregation.
Now that I've laid the foundation of my position, I want to clear up some things. I do indeed want to bring how SWL does Mass to Thelema Lodge. But what do I mean by that? By that, I do NOT refer to the playing of music, how the Deacon marshals the People or where the Priest resides during Communication, how the Priestess does her spiral dance, where the Children stand, whether or not the Priestess is touched, if Grady is mentioned in the Saints Collect, the pattern of sitting and standing, how many times the bell is rung, or even the oyez chant which I so dislike. No, I do not refer to any of these things.
When I say I want to bring an SWL "way of doing things," what I mean is a respect for the authority of the Mass team, and a celebration of the fact that they will do things differently from each other. At SWL, every Mass team is different, and even when a team does something unexpected or strange, members do not complain that "this isn't the way WE do Mass" (unless someone does something obviously outside the scope of the ritual or policy). This is because the members have become accustomed to a certain degree of variation, and it works very very well.
To give an example, if I am doing Mass as Priest (and assuming the Priestess agrees with me), I want my Deacon to prep the People, because (1) I believe that this is a vital way that the Deacon can be "in service to [her] congregation," (2) I or the Priestess might have particular instruction to give that a non-officer will not be privy to, and (3) the Deacon is the connection between the Priest/ess and the People, and is therefore the natural officer to represent the Mass team thru instruction of the ritual particulars. While I recognize that this is not traditionally how it is done at Thelema Lodge, I believe my reasons trump tradition, and that I have a right to do so when acting as Priest. Moreover, I believe the community should respect that right.
HOWEVER, this is as far as my insistance goes. As far as my example goes, Liber XV does not state anything about prepping the People beforehand. Therefore, I would NEVER insist that any other team MUST do what I do. I might offer my opinion for them to consider, but if the town mayor is tapped to instruct me as a congregant, then I will take that instruction with enthusiasm. The key element here is that--within the scope of policy, the literal script, and the sanctity of the body--the Mass team has full authority to decide how optional elements will be performed, assuming that they have been in communication with their supervising Bishops.
I will continue to lobby for this cultural change for two main reasons: (1) I believe this is the way the Church is actually set up, and (2) it helps prevent stagnation and "right way" thinking while promoting tolerance of differences. In my experience, it also promotes critical thinking and an openness to trying out new ways to celebrate the ritual, because exploration is far more acceptable. As an example of this kind of benefit, various Priestesses have different personal stances on touching during communication, from heavy hugs, to hand holding, to hands off. In a culture where the community expects to be instructed in such areas, a priestess can be confident that her boundaries will be respected, especially if the Deacon is allowed to articulate her requirements to the congregation beforehand. Finally, another important benefit is that it places the responsibility of ritual quality squarely where it belongs: the Mass team.
And just to make myself crystal clear, I would be happy to include local traditions wherever possible when acting as Priest. For example, I would be fine with adding Grady to the Saints list and to allow the People to communicate in a circle. But I would also have everyone sit during the Collects (until Death) and ask that Oyeses be uttered silently. This isn't the "SWL way" of doing Mass; it is the "Ash way" of doing Mass, and anyone who doesn't understand this difference doesn't understand my position at all.
As anyone in TL should know, I have not performed as Priest there. I have little desire to, in fact, because I believe my doing so would cause consternation and disharmony, rather than joy and celebration. Given a choice between that or giving in to local custom where it violates my sense of the ritual leaves me with no choice at all. Perhaps if I can inspire local members to consider my take on authority within Liber XV, the situation might change, and I will be invited to share my passion and enjoyment of Liber XV with the Thelema Lodge community. Until that time comes, I will continue to attend as a congregant when possible, where I will joyfully accept the direction of the Mass team, and Communicate as a Star among Stars.
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I firmly believe that the authority to celebrate the Gnostic Mass is embodied in the officers, namely the Priest and the Priestess. That authority derives from either being an ordained Bishop, or from acting under the direct, formal supervision of a Bishop. The Bishop's authority comes from the national Primate. His authority comes from the Patriarch of the E.G.C. There is no other authority when it comes to any discrete celebration of the Mass---not the community, not the Lodge Master, not other Bishops (except, for the latter two, insofar as they feel compelled to enforce Grand Lodge policy and in the rare occasion when the sanctity of the local body is endangered, say with the presence of a 15-year-old without guardian approval).
So, to put it bluntly, as long as policy is adhered to with reasonable good faith, the Mass team is in charge during any given Liber XV celebration. The Priest and the Priestess are essentially acting with the authority of the Patricarch (in our current case, Frater Superior Hymenaeus Beta) and through his Primate in the U.S. (in our case, T. Apiryon, the Supreme and Holy King, Sabazius), who delegates his authority through his Bishops. During the celebration of the Mass, the Deacon and Children operate under the authority of the Priest and Priestess team. An ordained Deacon is actually oath-bound to assist in this way, who agrees to "abide by the policies of Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica, and that you will faithfully fulfill the functions of a Deacon, ever in service to your congregation, and under the direction of your Priest and Priestess?"
Now then, a wise Mass team will take into consideration local traditions and social mores. However, that consideration does not take precedence over their own take on the ritual. This includes the actions of the People, who are, in essence, the sixth officer of Liber XV. It is the Deacon's job to instruct and lead the People in the particulars of the ceremony, as she is the conduit or viceroy representing the Mass team to the congregation.
Now that I've laid the foundation of my position, I want to clear up some things. I do indeed want to bring how SWL does Mass to Thelema Lodge. But what do I mean by that? By that, I do NOT refer to the playing of music, how the Deacon marshals the People or where the Priest resides during Communication, how the Priestess does her spiral dance, where the Children stand, whether or not the Priestess is touched, if Grady is mentioned in the Saints Collect, the pattern of sitting and standing, how many times the bell is rung, or even the oyez chant which I so dislike. No, I do not refer to any of these things.
When I say I want to bring an SWL "way of doing things," what I mean is a respect for the authority of the Mass team, and a celebration of the fact that they will do things differently from each other. At SWL, every Mass team is different, and even when a team does something unexpected or strange, members do not complain that "this isn't the way WE do Mass" (unless someone does something obviously outside the scope of the ritual or policy). This is because the members have become accustomed to a certain degree of variation, and it works very very well.
To give an example, if I am doing Mass as Priest (and assuming the Priestess agrees with me), I want my Deacon to prep the People, because (1) I believe that this is a vital way that the Deacon can be "in service to [her] congregation," (2) I or the Priestess might have particular instruction to give that a non-officer will not be privy to, and (3) the Deacon is the connection between the Priest/ess and the People, and is therefore the natural officer to represent the Mass team thru instruction of the ritual particulars. While I recognize that this is not traditionally how it is done at Thelema Lodge, I believe my reasons trump tradition, and that I have a right to do so when acting as Priest. Moreover, I believe the community should respect that right.
HOWEVER, this is as far as my insistance goes. As far as my example goes, Liber XV does not state anything about prepping the People beforehand. Therefore, I would NEVER insist that any other team MUST do what I do. I might offer my opinion for them to consider, but if the town mayor is tapped to instruct me as a congregant, then I will take that instruction with enthusiasm. The key element here is that--within the scope of policy, the literal script, and the sanctity of the body--the Mass team has full authority to decide how optional elements will be performed, assuming that they have been in communication with their supervising Bishops.
I will continue to lobby for this cultural change for two main reasons: (1) I believe this is the way the Church is actually set up, and (2) it helps prevent stagnation and "right way" thinking while promoting tolerance of differences. In my experience, it also promotes critical thinking and an openness to trying out new ways to celebrate the ritual, because exploration is far more acceptable. As an example of this kind of benefit, various Priestesses have different personal stances on touching during communication, from heavy hugs, to hand holding, to hands off. In a culture where the community expects to be instructed in such areas, a priestess can be confident that her boundaries will be respected, especially if the Deacon is allowed to articulate her requirements to the congregation beforehand. Finally, another important benefit is that it places the responsibility of ritual quality squarely where it belongs: the Mass team.
And just to make myself crystal clear, I would be happy to include local traditions wherever possible when acting as Priest. For example, I would be fine with adding Grady to the Saints list and to allow the People to communicate in a circle. But I would also have everyone sit during the Collects (until Death) and ask that Oyeses be uttered silently. This isn't the "SWL way" of doing Mass; it is the "Ash way" of doing Mass, and anyone who doesn't understand this difference doesn't understand my position at all.
As anyone in TL should know, I have not performed as Priest there. I have little desire to, in fact, because I believe my doing so would cause consternation and disharmony, rather than joy and celebration. Given a choice between that or giving in to local custom where it violates my sense of the ritual leaves me with no choice at all. Perhaps if I can inspire local members to consider my take on authority within Liber XV, the situation might change, and I will be invited to share my passion and enjoyment of Liber XV with the Thelema Lodge community. Until that time comes, I will continue to attend as a congregant when possible, where I will joyfully accept the direction of the Mass team, and Communicate as a Star among Stars.
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niceplace to visit but you wouldn't want to live there? ;)One recent tradition at Blue Horizon Oasis is Mass-a-thon This year, there will be several mass teams comming from out of town, giving the So-Cal OTO Brethren a chance to see some other customs.
Maybe sometime you could come down south and perform as Mass.
And, speaking with my Bishop hat firmly in place, let me say that I agree entirely with
Variations in performance in our central ritual (within the limits of the text and of EGC policy) should be nurtured and studied; they are, as
Of course, the body masters have the power of the calendar; if the choices made by a particular Priest or Priestess are truly unacceptable to a community, they may find that they are not scheduled to perform Masses. Great caution is called for in this matter from all parties, of course. The delicate balance of power and responsibility between bishops, clergy, and body masters is in some ways the most fragile aspect of our current system, but it can also produce our most exalted results when worked with harmony and beauty.
However, this is exactly the attitude that I want to promote here. Celebrating variation and actually inviting differences is the best way to keep the water flowing clean. When SWL switched over to this point of view (after a great deal of initial discord), it worked much better. In the last 7 or so of my years there, there was almost no bickering whatsoever about the Mass. About other things, sure, but not the Mass.
I have celebrated many Masses in the past where the Deacon gave instructions to the People based off special requirements that the Priestess and/or Priest had. Bottom line is that the Priest & Priestess always have the final say on how their Mass should be celebrated, so long as it is within USGL guidelines. If that is not the case, I would like to know about it.
The "Monsalvat Way" received similar sneers as a slight to "local tradition".
As an aspiring priest in training (about a 38A, I'd guess), I agree with you.
various Priestesses have different personal stances on touching during communication, from heavy hugs, to hand holding, to hands off. In a culture where the community expects to be instructed in such areas, a priestess can be confident that her boundaries will be respected, especially if the Deacon is allowed to articulate her requirements to the congregation beforehand. Finally, another important benefit is that it places the responsibility of ritual quality squarely where it belongs: the Mass team.
Are you saying the local Bishop refused to instruct wrt the Priestess' preferences re: her personal boundaries?
But I would also have everyone sit during the Collects (until Death) and ask that Oyeses be uttered silently
If these behaviors are so ingrained as to be reflexive with some long-time local members, would you be offended if they didn't do it your way when instructed?
Would you defer to the Bishop if the local Bishop insisted on taking responsibility for the instruction?
Are you saying the local Bishop refused to instruct wrt the Priestess' preferences re: her personal boundaries?
Reading between the lines is a fun game. I'm sure if you try, you can find many other things that I didn't actually say. However, when you are done playing that game, go back and re-read the benefits I mentioned...they stand on their own, and exist as a package that cannot, in my opinion, be fulfilled by any other person not of the Mass team, Bishop or not.
If these behaviors are so ingrained as to be reflexive with some long-time local members, would you be offended if they didn't do it your way when instructed?
Offended isn't the right word...and it would depend on the situation. Initially, I understand that old-timers would have to get used to the idea that every team will be different and needs to pay close attention to the pre-Mass instruction. The question then becomes, do they follow the instruction of the Deacon with a good attitude and to the best of their ability, or do they wilfully disobey the instruction? If they make a mistake (say, sitting down when not so instructed) and then correct it, then no harm no foul. If they insist on their mistaken action despite the Deacon's instruction, then my question would be why they lack respect for the authority embodied in the Mass team.
At the same time, I think the people you refer to are intelligent, responsible adults, and have what it takes to listen to instruction and fulfill it in good faith.
Would you defer to the Bishop if the local Bishop insisted on taking responsibility for the instruction?
If you mean when I was acting as Priest, no I wouldn't. A "local" Bishop has no ecclesiastic authority over me or how I conduct the ceremony (unless that person happened to be my supervising Bishop, and also with the rare exceptions I noted). However, this doesn't prevent a Bishop or the LM or even another ordained clergy member, from giving a short pre-Mass discourse on, say, the EGC, a Gnostic Saint, upcoming events, the Lodge, something from the Holy Books, Crowley, or whatever. That could be a nice combination.
You have to understand, in terms of authority regarding Liber XV, a "local" Bishop has no more authority over the ceremony than any other congregant. He or she would have no recourse to "insist on taking responsibility for the instruction." If that Bishop decided to give instruction on her own, despite my wishes, it would still be within my authority to send out the Deacon to deliver a presentation how I (and the Priestess) saw fit.
We tend to think that however we were "brought up" is THE RIGHT WAY.
Conversely, I think serving as priest or priestess in a new congregation (as the mover) can also cause adverse ripples with the new congregation/body officers.
I've fallen victim to some of this myself. And I confess that sometimes it is a struggle to try to keep my own dogma out.
As Deacon or Child, I feel it is my job to effectively "serve" the priest and priestess. If they want things done in a way that is different than how I want to do them, I think it is my duty to defer to their preferences.
As Priestess, I want the Deacon and Children to work within my preferences. But I'm pretty flexible. I can only think of one instance where I requested that a Deacon handle something differently.
Since I have done many travelling masses and don't have one particular Priest, I try to stay open to experimenting.
I tend to have a viscerally bad reaction to "oyez" when I'm a congregant. When I did mass at TL, I asked for the oyez to not happen. But I think it' so ingrained there, I swear I heard it anyway! I wanted to yell, "JUST SAY IT!!!" ;-) And in fact, if I ever do mass there again, I will give it a go with the oyez and see how it feels.
I found TL to be quite accomodating to my preferences. I don't know if that's because I don't live there...but it seemed to me that there was a spirit of willingness to allow for other variants. Maybe you could give it a go?
As others have already stated, I'd really encourage you to go to the Mass-a-thon. I loved, loved, loved it last year!! Seeing 8 masses (I didn't make it to all 11), each performed with joy and beauty, but each unique as a snowflake just utterly rocked my universe.
Why would Grady get a mention in the Saints? Has he been canonized already?
Grady gets listed because he was a past OHO...they all get to be added to the list.
First, in my humble opinion, "authority" over the Mass has meaning only in an administrative sense. That is, within the OTO/EGC there is a line of administrative authority running from the OHO to the local Bishop to the Priest/Priestess. That's a simple organizational matter: those who wish to participate in the Mass within the structure of the EGC/OTO accept that hierarchical flow of authority as a condition of participation.
There is no hierarchical spiritual authority over the Mass however. In that sense the only authority that has any meaning whatever is the Wills of the Mass team and the Communicants. The Mass can be performed outside the EGC - even that organization acknowledges this (which is just as well, since they'd be silly not to). And when done so it has no less spiritual value, though it may represent a different line of tradition.
I don't know if that's what you meant by "authority," but I'm wary of anything that smacks of an imposed orthodoxy. That has always struck me as fundamentally non-Thelemic.
As for the authority of the Mass team and the right of the Mass team to perform the Mass as they see fit (subject to both of the aforementioned "authorities")...where has this ever been questioned? Certainly not within Thelema Lodge, in my experience. There HAVE been some (IMO) rather heavy-handed impositions of Authority from levels above the Lodge Master, but within TL itself I've not seen any narrow-minded dogma on how the Mass must be performed. To the contrary I've seen a good deal of variety by both local Mass teams and visitors, including some explicit breaks with local tradtion.
So in reading this post I come away a bit puzzled: you seem to be lamenting a situation that, in my opinion and experience, just doesn't exist here.
As for the authority of the Mass team and the right of the Mass team to perform the Mass as they see fit (subject to both of the aforementioned "authorities")...where has this ever been questioned?
I have been told, to my face, that Thelema Lodge has its own way of doing Mass and that I was not welcome to "impose" Scarlet Woman Lodge ways of doing it. I have been told that my suggestions for variation were rude. Whenever I have discussed my ideas about how I like to see Mass done, it has often been greeted with defensiveness and even hostility. So, I have had many opportunities to form my opinion. On top of that, I have heard similar stories from other Mass teams who dared to be different. While I'm glad that you have not had such an unpleasant experience, it is not an uncommon one.
Keep in mind, I'm not targeting the LM or any individual in particular. I'm addressing a cultural meme, an idea that exists within the community as an unstated rule. It is an attitude that says "There is the Thelema Lodge way of doing Mass." This attitude, in my opinion, is not in line with how the Church is set up. There is no "Thelema Lodge way." There is the "Ash way," the "Peripsol way," the "Rose way," etc. In other words, the authority for determining the ritual particulars does not abide within the community, but within the Mass team. I don't want to change policy, I want to persuade a change in the community attitude about ritual authority to be in line with the structure of EGC...one that welcomes variation and an expectation that every individual celebration will have its own flavor and style.
I hope this clarifies my position.
I've always felt that the mass script should have minimal interpretation. This allows for a surprisingly large amount of variance between mass teams, but certainly doesn't allow for extra words or rituals to be inserted into an official mass.
At the same time, you are right that even with a strict reading of Liber XV, there is a lot of room for play. This is why I don't understand some people's objection of "Grand Lodge is trying to make all Masses alike." This kneejerk reaction is simply not reflective of reality.